http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/1624.html UPDATE ON SOY LAWSUIT Early in 2007, the Weston A. Price Foundation began hearing from inmates who were suffering from myriad serious health problems due to the large amounts of soy in the diet. These prisoners had found us through the Soy Alert! section of our website. Complaints include chronic and painful constipation alternating with debilitating diarrhea, vomiting after eating, sharp pains in the digestive tract, especially after consuming soy, passing out, heart palpitations, rashes, acne, insomnia, panic attacks, depression and symptoms of hypothyroidism, such as low body temperature (feeling cold all the time), brain fog, fatigue, weight gain, frequent infections and enlarged thyroid gland. Since soy contains anti-fertility compounds, many young prisoners may be unable to father children after their release. The suffering of these men is intense and medical care is palliative at best. Many have had sections of their digestive tract removed, but all requests for a soy-free diet are denied. The men are told, "If you don't like the food, don't eat it." That means that unless they can afford to purchase commissary food, they must eat the soy food or starve. The Weston A. Price Foundation has hired an attorney to represent several inmates incarcerated in the Illinois Department of Corrections system. The Foundation's attorney has entered his appearance on behalf of three inmates, has had contacts with several other inmates, has served several subpoenas upon the wardens of several facilities for documents and other information, and has informed the Court that additional inmates will soon be named in an amended complaint. The lead case is captioned Harris et al. v. Brown, et al., Case No. 3:07-cv-03225, and is currently pending before the Honorable Harold Baker in the United States District Court for the Central District of Illinois. The Foundation has until May 30th to file its amended complaint and the Defendants have 30 days after the complaint is filed to file their respective answers. The suit seeks an injunction putting a halt to the use of a soy-laden diet in the prison system. For Relatives of Inmates For Inmates For Further Information [Date] Honorable Eric Holder, Attorney General Copy to: Dear Sirs: I am writing to request that you initiate an investigation and enforcement action under the Prison Litigation Reform Act, 42 United States Code Section 1997a, also known as the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act (CRIPA). I have a relative, [first name, last name, identification number], who is presently incarcerated in [name of facility]. He has been incarcerated there since [date of incarceration]. He has become ill with the following symptoms since the Illinois Department of Corrections began feeding a soy-based diet in January 2003: [List symptoms]. He has not been able to get appropriate medical care from the prison staff and I am concerned about the long-term effects of this soy diet on his health. According to information posted in the FDA's Poisonous Plant Database and from research published in medical journals over the past sixty years, soy has the potential to cause serious health problems, especially if consumed in large amounts. This diet may make it impossible for [name of inmate] to engage in necessary activities to earn his living after his release and may even cause him to have medical problems that will be very costly to the state of Illinois. According to law, prisoners are entitled to "nutritionally adequate food" (Ramos v Lamm, 639.2d 559, 1980). According to Illinois law, "Infliction of unnecessary suffering on prisoner by failure to treat his medical needs is inconsistent with contemporary standards of decency and violates the Eighth Amendment" (Key Note 7. Criminal Law 1213). The justification for the switch from beef to soy is to save money, but according to one court case, "A lack of financing is not a defense to a failure to satisfy minimum constitutional standards in prisons" (Duran v. Anaya, 642, Supp. 510 (DNM 1986), page 525, paragraph 6). I urge you to look into this situation and take action to reinstate a nutritious diet for the inmates in Illinois prisons, before the soy diet irreparably destroys their health. Sincerely yours, [Name] [Date] Honorable Eric Holder, Attorney General Copy to: Dear Sirs: I am writing to request that you initiate an investigation and enforcement action under the Prison Litigation Reform Act, 42 United States Code Section 1997a, also known as the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act (CRIPA). I am concerned about the practice of feeding a soy-based diet to inmates in the Illinois prisons, which was initiated in January of 2003. According to information posted in the FDA's Poisonous Plant Database and from research published in medical journals over the past sixty years, soy has the potential to cause serious health problems, especially if consumed in large amounts.. This diet may make it impossible for those incarcerated in Illinois to engage in necessary activities to earn their living after their release and may even cause them to have medical problems that will be very costly to the state of Illinois. According to law, prisoners are entitled to "nutritionally adequate food" (Ramos v Lamm, 639.2d 559, 1980). According to Illinois law, "Infliction of unnecessary suffering on prisoner by failure to treat his medical needs is inconsistent with contemporary standards of decency and violates the Eighth Amendment" (Key Note 7. Criminal Law 1213). The justification for the switch from beef to soy is to save money, but according to one court case, "A lack of financing is not a defense to a failure to satisfy minimum constitutional standards in prisons" (Duran v. Anaya, 642, Supp. 510 (DNM 1986), page 525, paragraph 6). I urge you to look into this situation and take action to reinstate a nutritious diet for the inmates in Illinois prisons, before the soy diet irreparably destroys their health. Sincerely yours, [Name] More on this situation here: Soy in Illinois Prisons Case Related links
Health Topics - Soy Alert! Friday, 01 May 2009 14:24
The Foundation has been funding litigation involving a challenge to the Illinois Department of Correction’s use of soy laden foods in the diet it provides to inmates incarcerated in Illinois. The Foundation has been involved in this suit since June 2009. First and foremost, the Foundation is seeking an injunction against serving soy-laden meals to Illinois prisoners. The fund is also helping eight inmates challenge their being fed soy-laden food by claiming that the feeding of soy-laden food constitutes cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the eighth amendment to the Constitution, and that it is a denial of their liberty in violation of their due process rights under the fourteenth amendment to the Constitution. The lawsuit also alleges that the private corporation and its private doctors, Wexford health services, inc., have been negligent in failing to provide adequate medical care to each of the plaintiffs who are suffering bodily injury and adverse health effects from being fed too much soy.
The case is pending in the United States District Court for the central district of Illinois before the Honorable Judge Baker.
Both the state of Illinois and Wexford have filed summary judgment motions arguing that they should receive a pre-trial judgment in the case because none of the inmates has “exhausted” his administrative remedies. In other words, the State and Wexford are arguing that none of the inmates, before they filed their complaint, properly complained to prison officials about the effects that the soy diet is having on their body. The inmates have opposed these motions for summary judgment and have presented a plethora of evidence that they have indeed, for several years, complained to prison officials about the harmful effects of soy on their bodies, but that the prison officials have ignored these complaints and have done nothing about it. The inmates have also presented a plethora of evidence to the court to show that they have also, for several years, complained to Wexford and its subsidiary doctors about the harmful effects of soy on their bodies and that the Wexford doctors have ignored these complaints.
The matter is pending before Judge Baker on the State’s and Wexford’s motions to dismiss. we expect a ruling from the court sometime before the end of 2010. If the motions are denied then the case will go forward to a trial on the merits, which likely will go forward sometime late next year.When Rod Blagojevich was elected governor of Illinois in 2002, he immediately made a change in the prison diets. Beginning in January 2003, inmates began receiving a diet largely based on processed soy protein, with very little meat. In most meals, small amounts of meat or meat by-products are mixed with 60-70 percent soy protein; fake soy cheese has replaced real cheese; and soy flour or soy protein is now added to most of the baked goods.Suffering of Inmates
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written by Melody, Dec 09 2010
written by Paul ODaniel, Nov 25 2010
as with all thing's in prison there are always loses of product due to 'shrinkage" I saw a bill of lading in the warehouse in 2006,laying on a clerks desk.It was for 3,000 lbs. of bacon(real bacon)we hadn't had real bacon in any prison I'd been in since early 2000 ,late 1990's.I asked the clerk,that real ?He told me yep,I asked who it was for -he just smiled and said"You know it's not for us !" I won't even mention the "The Real Meat Industry"at Galesburg Prison.You might start asking where all the "real meat" they proccess daily goes ?Well,if I've given you some food for thought good and it isn't soy based,so my information is safe to consume. P.S. available for futher information if requested.
Let just stick a small footnote here and say,alot of inmates ,including myself have done wrong and the "People of the State of Illinois"through the judical system choose to punish us by taking away our "freedom" for X number of years,nothing was ever mentioned,nor is it provided for under current or past law , to punish us by torture - it happens daily !The measure of a society can be determined by stepping inside it's prison's - how do you think we measure up ?
written by A.-G.: Cooper, Nov 25 2010
The prisoners and family can write an Affidavit of the Facts (use facts not conjecture or conclusions) and a criminal and civil complaint as a second document. Include a Bill of Debt in the complaint. The following "crimes" are commercial, see TITLE 27 CFR § 72.11 Meaning of terms. “Commercial crimes. Any of the following types of crimes (Federal of State): Offenses against the revenue laws; burglary; counterfeiting; forgery; kidnapping; larceny; robbery; illegal sale or possession of deadly weapons; prostitution (including soliciting, procuring, pandering, white slaving, keeping house of ill fame, and the like offenses); extortion; swindling and confidence games; and attempting to commit, conspiring to commit, or compounding any of the foregoing crimes. Addiction to narcotic drugs and use of marihuana will be treated as if such were commercial crime.” This means they are alleged crimes to bring revenue into the corporate governments coffers. I am not declaring that some should not be crimes of law, but this is how they are defined. So being, they should be treated as such.
written by Laughing, Nov 25 2010
written by carol j, Sep 28 2010
written by LLM, Sep 13 2010
Doing experiments on human beings without their consent is still legal in the USA!
This amazing disclosure, a bombshell to those who read it, was carried about a year ago by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.
The news was uncovered by a courageous California researcher called Cheryl Welsh. She is one of America's most remarkable women today. After graduating from university in law, she started studying the situation that allows a few people to be horribly victimised.
She has become a UN-cited authority on subjects like (undisclosed) non-lethal weapons. As they apply to ordinary
people, these can create a form of torture.
The bioethical discoveries she has made are astounding.
Cheryl Welsh has for years been writing learned papers helping others to see how this sort of terrible situation came about. She has been trying to encourage a better set of legal protections for human subjects of experiments.
She has found that the Clinton recommendations about banning unconsented experiments on humans were THOUGHT to be in law, but were never formalised.
All the work arising from the big public scandals about nuclear experiments, including the work of a high-level investigating committee called ACHRE, failed to provide such protection for future people.
The current situation in the USA is that some interests can bypass the usual ethical guidelines.
This means an experiment can be done on you, harming your health greatly, without you ever being told about it. It is still legal, if it is done in the right way by the right people.
Cheryl Welsh has managed to publicise several injustices, including the possibility of conducting experiments on human beings without their consent.
Many books and authorities cite her work.
Good luck to prisoners suffering from any possible experiments.
My advice: Just get out of there as soon as you can. If good behaviour and co-operation is what it takes, if that is what gets you out of there, do it. Just get yourself back into mainstream society.
Individuals should NOT contact Cheryl Welsh direct, as she needs every bit of her energy and time to continue her work. But if interested you can go to the www internet site mindjustice.org, which features a lot of her work.
My advice: tell people about it! Tell them, America doesn't have any law banning experiments on human beings!
written by Douglas Simmons, Sep 12 2010
The work of Weston Price brought these issues to a wider audience and the educational efforts and conferences of the foundation bearing his name admirably continue his work. I part ways with the current leadership of the foundation, however, in their overzealous, one size-fits-all condemnation of soy as food. I have since 1976 eaten no beef, pork, poultry and very little fish (perhaps a pound a year). I have eaten what I like to call an international 3rd world diet. It is a varied diet, including eggs, cheeses, every imaginable dried bean, pea and lentil, traditional live fermented foods, sea vegetables (our Atlantic dulse being a favorite) and yes,lots of whole grains, and a significant amount of traditional food soy. Over the past 10 years very little of the food eaten in our household contains any of the wide variety of unhealthy soy isolates or hyper-processed "soy products". Clearly, I am aware of the dangers of soy consumption in a way that perhaps only an American "vegetarian", surrounded by the "fruits" of multinational agribusiness, can be. But modest amounts of soy foods; tempeh, tofu, miso, edame are a part of my healthy diet.
In my humble opinion, the wise use of God's many gifts includes the prudent use of traditionally grown and cultured soybeans by educated consumers. The wise use of God's gifts does not describe what is being done with GMO soy as "feedstock" for animals much less prison inmates, nor does it describe the cynical overproduction/processing and export of soy and other genetically modified and factory farmed products by Monsanto, ADM, Cargill and others.
My message to the leadership and activists in the Weston Price Foundations: Please continue to call to account the unsafe and unscrupulous practices of agribusiness and food industry multinationals, please continue your unstinting support of local, sustainable agricultural practices, and don't be quite so myopically focused on soy.
Sincerely,
Doug in Stratham, NH
written by Sunny , Sep 07 2010
written by Laura, Sep 07 2010
Did anyone research the number of food complaints, digestion related problems (diarrhea, vomiting, constipation...) BEFORE they switched to the soy diet? My personal opinion (with no research) wonders how close the numbers were - "before" vs. "after" soy.
Also, in some prisons there are ways to earn a few bucks. What do they spend those few bucks on? Is it still more likely that they will buy cigarettes or is it more likely that they will buy food? Have their cigarette sales dropped as they start buying food? That could be easily studied. What are they spending money on when they do get some money? Is is important enough to the prisoners to make the changes that they can make.
(I am not assuming that all prison inmates smoke but that is one measurable thing when we are talking about money. Maybe some prisons don't sell them because of the bad proven health problems from cigarettes, I don't know.)
written by Shirley, Sep 02 2010
written by martha, Aug 25 2010
written by Gladys Pearson, Aug 23 2010
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written by whisperingsage, Jul 19 2010
written by Diana, Jul 15 2010
Something has to be done.
Diana
written by PAANO BAITO, Jul 13 2010
written by Tim, Jul 12 2010
Unprocessed soybeans are not consumed by any indigenous culture anywhere in the world as far as I know. One possible exception is edamame, but edamame are young green soybeans that are very different from the type of soy being fed to these prisoners. Besides, edamame is not a dietary staple anyway, it is consumed in relatively small quantities.
written by Rebekkah, Jul 08 2010
This is so wrong.
I was reading Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand (written in the 1940s), and in one part of the book a woman (a villainous character) is going to plant soy to feed the country because its inexpensive. The main character in the book seems to know pretty obviously that soy is cheap and bad for you. How did they know it then, and we can't seem to see it today?
written by Matt, Jul 07 2010
written by Lou, Jun 22 2010
IMO this is a planned experiment for the vast penal state planned for the formerly free USA. Many political "crimes" such as MJ use will be "de-criminalized" to make way for the new political crimes such as "anti-state hate speech". Many of us will soon be in prison or silent slaves.
Speak up people we do not have much time.
written by vickie, Jun 14 2010
written by Relle, Jun 07 2010
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written by Tom, Jun 04 2010
written by Cas, Jun 04 2010
An over abundance of ANY food-stuff...especially protein...will lead to ketosis & cause a hardship on the Kidneys % Digestive System...a Human Digestive System that is VERY LONG Compared to any carnivore for a reason:- The substance of such a alimentary system is to be vegetative in nature & in as close to a natural condition to retain the digestive enzymes.
While Soy does in fact estrogenecize & emasculate, strictly meat based diets also tend to convey the characteristic's of Carnivores:- Aggressive Beastly thinkings & actions.
written by Jack, Jun 04 2010
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written by Ruth, Apr 26 2010
written by Michelle Fleck, Apr 24 2010
I don't think that soy was ever meant to be consumed as much as we have. Even soy protein in the starter formula of calves frequently causes them severe digestive upset. But there are lots of other things that can be done with soy, like engineering biodegradable materials to replace plastic and foam.
written by Antonio, Apr 16 2010
It's not hard to get this. Those of you who take articles at face value because you follow a particular dogma should not make the same mistake I made when I started on my path to wellness. Read ALL the studies if you really want the truth, not just the ones that support your belief system.
Antonio.
written by Papai, Mar 27 2010
My bet about this is that the Asian diet is higher in FERMENTED soy products primarily and not as high in "processed" soy products like what our market is flooded with. They have had soy in the market waaaay longe than we and it wasn't.isn't like what we have at all.
(Consider, perhaps, who's growing the vast majority of soy AND whose seed is being grown. That spells LOBBY. OK, I put my WiFi remote controlled soapbox away. :p)
Anyway.. our market has more processed vs. fermented soy products.
Miso soup, tempe, soy sauce, tamirin are all examples of fermented soy products which I believe have shown to have significantly different profile.
Again, i'm a nerd schmuck so chem/foodie/nutritionists check me.
written by MS, Mar 16 2010
written by RONICA PARKER, Mar 15 2010
written by Charlotte Bue, Mar 12 2010
written by Debrah, Mar 05 2010
written by Jill , Mar 04 2010
Most of them will be released at some point. A nutrient-dense diet while they are incarcerated could actually help many of them improve their lot and become productive citizens after they have paid their debt to society. We know that not only physical health but mental and emotional health suffer when the diet is deficient, including things like productive goal
setting, self control, and good judgment (see Mental/Emotional Health articles on this site).
See the Foundation's press release regarding how this prison diet sets a precedent...our schools are next. That's another powerless, vulnerable population.
written by Barbara Whirl, Feb 27 2010
written by Cody, Feb 25 2010
for the first 18 years of my life i was diseased from bad types of carbohydrates and little bits of soy here and there that they commonly add into junk food but for only 1 of them years did i eat large amounts of soy i drank soy milk for 1 year and thats all it took to grow horrible ugly man boobs that completely destroyed my social life
however i am healthy now thanks to the atkins diet with exercise i have lost 150 pounds of fat and gained 60 pounds of muscle i have also had breast reduction sugery so i no longer look like a freak
but the poor prisoners who eat such a high soy diet for many years the pain they go through must be unbearable this is one of the worst acts of human abuse i have ever seen
God bless you Weston a price foundation for being a voice for them
written by Polli Minnell, Feb 22 2010
written by Garbage King, Feb 13 2010
In this case, soy is more than he deserves.
written by Gwen, Feb 06 2010
By the way, in Florida they do sell pork crackling on commissary.
written by sam2, Feb 04 2010
written by jayde, Jan 28 2010
written by Andre Brooks, Jan 28 2010
written by Michael, Jan 19 2010
written by Kay, Jan 13 2010
written by Lava, Dec 31 2009
written by Tricia Ross, Dec 30 2009
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written by Ken, Dec 19 2009
Raw milk, with its beneficial live enzymes and bioavailable nutrients, should never be classified together with denatured, pasteurized or homogenized milk that kills the majority of enzymes and makes some, if not all of the nutrients bio-unavailable (as with ultra pasteurization).
So we should never classify fermented soy products with its beneficial live enzymes, probiotic bacteria and bioavailable nutrients together with the bad reputation of unfermented soy and its enzyme inhibiting, poor bio-unavailable counterpart.
By fermented soy products, I specifically mean traditionally made natto, temph, miso and soy sauce rather than the commerically adultrated versions that have penetrated the marketplace at reduced prices.
For example, the anti-cancer effects of miso soup have been documented profusely by the very scientists and medical personnel who assisted the survivors of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. There are similar documentation for natto, tempeh and traditionally made fermented soy products from any simple internet seach.
Let's be clear that the unfermented soy products such as soy milk, soy burgers, sausage and meat substitutes, tofu, edamame, aburage (deep fried tofu) will require your body to supply or produce the enzymes to process these foods that may be further compromised if the natural enzyme inhibitors are not deactivated. A caution and warning to all those who use unfermented soy products on a daily or regular basis! Some may not be harmful in moderation but please be responsible in researching what you're eating BEFORE a health problem occurs!
Blessings to everyone who seeks the truth with all their heart, soul, mind and strength!
Much Aloha,
W. Ken Koike
Hawaii Chapter Leader
Oahu Isle/Honolulu County
written by Auburn, Dec 17 2009
I'll tell you what's ridiculous: Your attitude.
Keep eating a soy based diet, Andy, but be sure to save a lot of money because you'll need it in the years to come with all the health problems you'll certainly will have.
Dec 29, 2010
MedicalConspiracies- UPDATE ON SOY LAWSUIT
Comments (59)
Soy is Bad but Meat is Diseased!
I am a 42 yr. old woman that has used a high percentage of soy products most of my life. I am a relatively new believer in the idea that soy is bad for you. I am coming to believe it more and more. I know that although I am pretty healthy, my health has suffered from the use of to much soy. But I have a question, I have never eaten meat in my life. Do you know what it is like to tell someone like that to start eating meat? It's like telling them that they have to start eating some kind of manure to be healthy! What about all the diseases in animals as well? Doesn't that make meat dangerous for causing cancer and etc?
I was there (33 yrs.) in illinois prisons
Let me begin by saying that the food,just since "Former Governor Rod"got elected in 2002 actually went from not the greatest ,but edible to unfit to give to a animal!You had guards commenting all the time about "how long are you guy's gonna put up with that garbage ?"Soy this and soy that ,tastes terrible and gives you a aray of health problems from just plain stomach aches to real live stomach cramps,etc.etc. What really makes this a shame is that "real meat" comes into the warehouse at most every prison I spent time in(6-7 right off the top of my head),but the 'inmates" never see it ! Well some do,those that are in the area when it's unloaded
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The prisoners should charge the Governor and Attorney General, et al. with criminal negligence, conspiracy to commit criminal negligence and malfeasance of office, just to mention a few charges; but they cannot use an attorney, when they use an attorney they are not presented they are re-presented as what? An attorney is a fiction of law and cannot present anyone or anything. So they have to re-present you and make you a fiction as well, meaning you have no natural rights, only contractual rights such as the contract of being a prisoner.
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I find ironic that the health food advocates were big fans of soy when I was in college in the 1970s, and now are portraying it as a menace. Get your stories straight, will ya?
cruel and unusual soy for prisoners
The begining of "SOY" LENT GREEN?
Experimenting on humans without consent is still legal in the USA
Here's something most people still do not know.
US Citizen
Clearly, in the US and throughout the markets of the WTO, when soy is discussed in the food system, what is being discussed is a genetically modified, commoditized, de-natured product. I agree that this form of soy, the dominant form, is an inferior food. As are many of the manufactured foods in our industrial food system, the list is nearly endless. Factory farmed meat and poultry, most corn products, most grain products, most of the food consumed by the majority of our population is of poor nutritional quality and potentially damaging to health. Many of these problems stem from the progressive damage done to farm soils throughout this country by mechanized, petrochemical driven factory farming.
R & D !!! vitamin c and SOLAR!!!
Can your group help us in CANADA!!!???
Moderation in all things, and other things to consider.
I don't believe that soy, meat, cheese,... are unhealthy - in moderation. So maybe a mix.
Re: What Ken said: Soy fermented/unfermented
Is soy cheese and soy yogurt fermented, I wonder? Would these foods be harmful? Thanks...
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this is also going on in the Indiana prisons. What is going on with the lawsuit and can anyone get in on it? They also discontinue giving the men their medicine that they have been on for years. A man was biopsied for cancer and it was positive. he was not told until he had less than 6 months to live. He has no treatment. Another man collapsed in the yard and died. Coroners report lack of proper medical care. What can be done to get them better medical care. The head doctor has been quilty of substance abuse himself.
Ex Correction Officer florida
I use to work at the prison in Sneads Florida ACI west unit. I can attest to the food that they serve there at that facility. It is strickly soy. they do get veggies mostly greens all chopped up, but at ACI the rats run all over the kitchen and there are rat droppings and urine all over the kitchen, food included. This one time the health department came and gave us one day to clean up the rat droppings or they would have red flagged the kitchen. Which they would never do. I would like to know what to do to help with the soy problems along with the rat problems. You loved ones, are not being taken care of in a humaine way trust me on that.
also concerning soy
A very high percentage of Soy products are made from Genetically Modified Soya Beans in the U.S.A., this does rather put the people on a diet of them into the position of Human Guinea Pigs, as extensive testing of the effects of G.E. food on people has not been done or required by the American Govt.
Someday we will be there
For all the thinking that all prisoners deserve to be there, remember, the Bible warns that we will someday all be there if we refuse the Mark of the Beast (the microchip), at least before we are beheaded, Rev 20.
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My son is in the Florida prison system and is deathly sick since they have have subsituted soy for meat.
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HAVE THE PRISONS IN ILLINOIS, ETC. RESOLVED THE SOY DIET ISSUE? HOW?
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This is really unfortunate. If they really wanted to save money they could easily feed them a diet based on corn, rice and beans. They could, and should also provide them with a variety of other inexpensive vegetables such as tomatoes, spinach, onions, carrots, potatoes, cabbage etc.
It's cheap
Soy is super cheap, and that's why they are getting it. It's inexpensive to feed it to them, they can cut down on their food budget, and it's "healthy" right?
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No one, not prisoners or anyone else should be forced to be subjects in scientific (food) experiments such as this one. Whatever the penal system's underlying motive may be (reform or punishment) the loss of liberty is what is accepted, nothing beyond that. Evidently, though, government contracts are always subject to influence from donors, and that is another issue that should be part of this discussion since prisons are big sources of never-ending contracts. Did you know that in some Brazilian schools, they already did this experiment of mixing soy with meat to cheapen lunch and please the mega-million dollar corporations that control their local factory soy farm industry? So, I agree with an earlier commenter, that they will attempt to bring this into all sorts of other institutions as well without letting us know, nursing homes, fast food restaurants, airplanes food, etc. hoping that we'll all just get used to it. Beware!!!
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A largely soy based diet is a slow death sentence. If the "dietitians" in the Illinois Penal System do not know this they should be fired.
Florida Prisoners soy products
How can we in Florida help our inmates out from getting this soy product my son is getting sick from it he's lost about 30 lbs from 150 to 130 lbs in a matter of months please help.
GMO as birth control?
One of the comments stated infertility from GMO soy. Having spent some time in Western Africa, many say Soy products are treated with birth control to cut down the populations. Many of the people won't touch soy. Is it possible that Soy is given to prisoners for that reason as well as feminizing to limit masculine aggressive traits?
Hunger Strike
If all the prisoners would go on a hunger strike they could demand healthy food. The capitalists cannot make no money off of a starving to death prison population.
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It was interesting to watch the Great (Dr.) Oz on Soddom & Gomorrah TV (Portland, OR) showing how to grocery shop. He stopped at the Silk soy milk and told how he drank a lot of it. Silk is the bottom of the quality barrel, if there is such a thing as quality in soy milk. Dr. Oz should be avoided, he is entertainment for those who don't know any better.
Things of Soy, of Joy, & of Incarcerations....
Asian Diets:- Only used Flesh Meat, Fish, Chicken as Flavourings mostly in addition to their Staples of Vegetables (Mostly Preserved) & Rice. The "Meat" (Whether Analogue Soy or otherwise) was NEVER the main staple of their diet.
It's not that confusing.
The article mentions campaign contributions! A soy based diet is also linked to lower fertility and demasculinization of men. It seems like everything is going according to plan!
Not good for humans
GM soy is basically a toxic poison to humans. Do not eat this. I love roasted soy beans and ate them and got ill. Stopped eating them and health returned to normal. Farmers who grow soy don't eat it as they KNOW it's poison for humans and only fit for animal food. This is a great way to get rid of prisoners legally - kill them with food. Who would have thought this up? Only some diabolical group who wants to rid this planet of more people starting with those who are "captive audiences" who must be forced to eat this or else. Comissary food is very expensive in jail.
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What about lecithin. It proudly states 100% soy based, and 97% soy phosphatides. Please help.
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What has happened with the law suit? it's been almost a year since the article was written. My husband is an inmate in Fl. as well
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I know that most people will have some digestive difficulty on soy. The main problem with feeding it to inmates, or to anyone else for that matter, is that about 90% of all soy on the market today is genetically modified. They have tested Gm soy in rats and it led to widespread miscarriages in the animals in these trials, but they put it thousands of consumer products anyway.
Health Educator.
Thank you Ken for your balanced message on soy products. In my practice I focus on getting people off transformed foods. You cannot compare TVP to tempeh or miso any more than you can compare grass fed animals to grain and 'animal protein' fed; they are in a different planet.
Why are Asians able to eat higher soy diets?
Im a tech guy so I'm really talking out of my pie hole insofar as authority on the topic but....
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Charlotte, I agree, it is confusing. What the inmates are being fed is isolated soy protein not traditionally cultured or fermented soy foods such as miso, tempeh, and fermented tofu that has been in Asian cuisine for thousands of years. The fermentation/culturing process breaks down the difficult to digest sugars and the high amount of protein enzyme inhibitors present in un-fermented soy.
RE: SOY
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF EATING SOY GIVES MEN ANY FORM OF CANCER, PROSTATE OR STOMACH PROBLEMS?
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I do find the debate about soy to be a little confusing. How are the Asians who have some of the most enviable health statistics on record able to consume soy without health repercussions?
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Of course, I feel the schools should be the first place to start--maybe help to prevent some of the violent behavior in the first place! Children should be the priority. It does seem to be a difficult battle as not only do we have to convince the schools to even get rid of the junk food --trying to go against the modern dietary advice is even harder: low fat etc
@Debrah re: Defending Prisoners
Debrah, I can understand your bitterness toward the person who hurt your daughter. However, I believe it is a very worthy cause to stand up for the rights of prisoners, even of violent crimes. They do have a number of rights, even if some of their other rights are suspended. They are a fairly powerless population, and they are essentially being used as guinea pigs in a medical experiment against their will that is demonstrably damaging the health of many of them. If we stand by and do nothing, our own humanity is eroded. No one would argue that prisoners should be fed the finest of everything, but they do deserve nutritionally complete food that does not do them physical harm.
I Love My Husband and i will be damned if the soy takes him from me!
My Husband has been suffering the ill effects of soy in the illinois prison system...He has intestinal problems and painful constipation, He goes to health care and all they will do for him is give him m.o.m and laxatives and send him on his way, he asked for a soy free diet and that was denied, I hold onto all my husbands grievances...My husband has had gallbladder disease which resulted in having his gallbladder removed which im sure was caused by the soy also. I Love my husband very much and i refuse to lose my husband because Illinois wants to save money. I will make sure justice is being served for all of our loved ones who dont have a voice...well i do and i will use it!!!
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soy is an abomination unless its 100% properly fermented but i only know of japan that does that but even so i will never touch soy ever again
deliberate malnutrition of prisoners
This has got to be against the Geneva convention on human rights. Perhaps it might have a greater impact if it was taken to an international court. I'd be making sure the worldwide media knew all about too.
Blago
Fmr State Centraal Planning Chairman Rod may get to eat soy unless he saved some of that graft money he got for selling the now National Planning Czar's old House of Lords seat.
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My husband is in the Florida system and has been complaining of the very same symptoms mentioned in the article. Prison doctors just look at him and say "There is nothing wrong with you." He told me that he thought he was dying.(seriously) I send him as much money as I can each month and he has started eating most of his meals from commassary, and a miracle.... his fatigue,always feeling cold (In Florida...),passing out and the intense abdominal pains all disappeared. We did not know what it was that was making him sick. I am afraid that this is not just a problem in Illinois, Iowa and Florida but probably the majority of the USA. How can we stop them from hurting our loved ones. Isn't it enough that they are serving their time.
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they should force rod blagojevich to eat an all soy diet, see how he likes it
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i am with some of you on this. i think that this needs to stop here befor it goes any farther than the prisons. my other half is in the illinois prison and he is suffering really bad to to this diet they say is better for them.. it is not that it is better it is that it is cheapper.
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Please keep me updated with regards to this matter of the illinois prisons feeding of soy to imates...
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some scientist needs to study this group of men to see if it is in fact soy or in fact geneticly engineered soy. Most soy beans are now genetically engineered and according to this study GE foods can be detrimental to a prsons health. http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm
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Something I've observed in vegetarian men who eat large amounts of soy is that they become feminized in both appearance and behavior -- perhaps from the phytoestrogens in the soy? They gain weight and the fat distribution pattern is female, not male. This feminizes the appearance of both face and body. Their behavior -- how they walk, talk, laugh, and gesture -- also becomes feminized. From what I've observed, most people (particularly men) are uncomfortable being around these feminized men, so they become socially isolated. I hope this bizarre and unfortunate effect of a high-soy diet is investigated and addressed by the attorney(s) for the inmates.
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I really don't think pork cracklings are in any commissary. Depending on the rules, inmates' families might be able to mail them some. But the commissary will probably have the other items.
Kudos to WAPF
I am so happy that the WAPF is doing this. Many people do not understand that The prison model will be used in schools, hospitals and other institutions. Now is the time to stop it. Prisoners deserve rights as well they are not all murderers and rapists if they were I would have no problem feeding them soy myself.
iowa inmate
My husband is an Iowa inmate and has been complaining as well about all the soy they are fed. Is there any way he can join in on the lawsuit?
Soy Clarification - Fermented vs. Unfermented
The soy debate can be quite confusing for so many of us just as the milk debate is for others.
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Andy said: "Saying Meat and cheese is good for you is ridiculous."
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He has most of the symptoms listed due to eating soy. Feeding prisoners soy products is a hideous form of torture. In some prisons, men (or women) can buy other foods from the commissary, or have a quarterly box of foods sent by their families, but a great many prisoners have no one who sends them money, no one who sends them food boxes, no one who cares or even remembers that they are alive. Even with the food that can be purchased, with a highly inflated price tag, those foods can only go so far to get the prisoners thru their time in prison.
I am thankful that there is some challenge to the lack of dietary needs being done. I hope there will be more, and that the lack of very necessary medical care will be brought into the mix.
I love my husband, and his illness due to his incarceration is heartbreaking to me. I pray for all who are in such pain.